That interview with Katie Hopkins and Andrew Gold..

What a shame that on the Heretics podcast, Katie was so combative. Instead of arguing, she could have indeed talked about the bigger topics that she claims she cares so much about. It started when she mocked Andrew’s question of how she felt over the media’s treatment of her in the past. She claimed and I paraphrase here, that feelings don’t matter when you have your sights set on the bigger picture and all that you want to accomplish. This is a noble intention and yes, there is a place for stoicism and perspective. Yet, Katie contradicted herself in the interview where she mocks and belittles Andrew. If she was so determined with her mission, she wouldn’t need to pick at Andrew for small things.

The interview will be like a litmus test for people. Some will love her and others, like myself, will lose interest in her further videos. I liked her when she did a chat with Tommy Robinson; she was her usual vivacious self, a little too flirty but she was funny and kind of relatable. Yes, she’s candid and she doesn’t care about causing offence but these are traits that can come from a place of confidence and wisdom. However, Katie showed in the Heretics interview that there is a difference between being candid and not knowing how to make normal conversation. Andrew Gold is hardly a stuffy, sheltered man as Katie implies. She is also posh like him and just because Andrew is young, it doesn’t mean he is to be mocked and dismissed. It was another hypocrisy from Katie as she derided him for not doing his research about her. To me she has conflated research with the interviewer acting 100 percent favourably towards her. To reverse her claim, she doesn’t seem to have researched him.

Katie said mean things and tried to come back afterwards by laughing and making out that this is all fun and lighthearted. She even condescendingly claims she is doing Andrew a favour. I saw her demeanour as being a substitute for what is a candid nature born out of actual confidence and wisdom. With Katie, it seems like a lot of bluster.

Had this been a casual chat without cameras, Andrew may well have called Katie a bitch. Or perhaps he is too much of a gentleman but I can get fed up with people like her who think truth telling lets you off the hook for bad behaviour. The media went too far by throwing Katie under the bus and reporting her for saying what many other figures are now reiterating, especially when it comes to the problems we are still facing in our society. Though I actually doubt Katie’s authenticity and claims that it was all the media’s fault and that they made her out to be a monster versus this cuddly, up for hugs persona she has adopted. She has indeed faced big threats to her life and family but I am still suspicious of her claims and persona. In any case, Katie is incredibly lacking in many things including tact and I was exhausted after watching the interview. I don’t know how Andrew felt. Maybe he will come out and say he liked Katie.

Things don’t have to be black and white in my opinion. You can be honest and also respectful. You can be tactful and also candid. Numerous YouTubers like Andrew combine all traits, even if it means not having this great platform that Katie thinks she has. I couldn’t believe she told the same Andrew who has interviewed so many stars that she will make him big in America ! I mean, Katie, you can still be authentic but just be better at normal conversation. She’s one of those annoying “too much” people and personally, I don’t tend to love them for it, no matter that others claim they do. Years ago I thought she was TV’s biggest bitch and although she was just a bit more honest than other bitchy people, my instinct has proved to be right.

Katie talks about separating the person or persona from their mission and if they encourage people to speak up, then we should just ignore their bad behaviour. This is the narcissistic tactic of deflection and arrogance. A narcissist conflates this with mere errors and “that no one is perfect!” (A quote from someone who abused me). People have every right to distance themselves from this kind of person. They are parasitic and feed off people’s empathy. To know who they are and act on it is actually the same as having conviction in your beliefs, something Katie seems to imply Andrew does not have. I found her to be a mess in the interview and whilst I am glad to know of the hypocrisy of mainstream media and journalism, I can still keep in mind that two things can be true at the same time. The media is bad and so is Katie. That’s my interpretation, you can disagree but I do wonder about the more militant Katie fans, how strong their critical thinking skills are.

This may be a polarising post but in any case, thank you for reading. There are some big characters out there in the public eye, who claim to speak for the people and some like President Donald Trump in America are delivering on their promises. I would like to separate their personas, some that I am not a fan of, from their good qualities such as restoring public confidence in society.